Caitlin, Robert, Yelle, Leandra, Alex and Kyle sleep together in the same tent at Zuccotti Park. “Everyone is romantically, intimately and sexually involved,” says Robert. They are a polyamorous family (a relationship style meaning, literally, “many loves”). The group share food, finances and plans post-protest: one pair are traveling to Portugal, others will be tree-sitting in Oregon.
Cuddled up in the tent, Robert and Caitlin reminisce. “You totally initiated the first orgy,” says Robert. “No,” Caitlin argues, “wine initiated it!”
Here I talk with Robert and Caitlin about their poly family and the future of relationships as these protesters see it.
So you guys have been here since the beginning?
Robert: We met day two of the protest.
Caitlin: I was talking to someone about hitchiking. And Robert literally turns around and goes, ‘do you wanna hitch-hike to California with me after this is all over?’ Because that is how he had planned on getting home. And from there we starting hanging out and sharing a sleeping space.
Robert: We were the seed that started this family. We have been arrested together. We are gonna go tree sitting together. And now we have 5 or 6 people that sleep here. The guys don’t have sex with each other and the girls do, but there is still an intimacy among everyone.
So all of you guys are young (18-24) what is your generation doing differently in terms of dating?
Robert: Traditional courtship rituals are not financially possible– both for people here and for our generation. I’ve had more girlfriends in the past where we moved in together early on because it was the only thing that was economically feasible.
And here at Occupy there is a general distaste for that entire courtship ritual. When you look at the cultural structuring of how relationships are supposed to be established, you know Disney movies, it is really sexist. It doesn’t breed a great relationship, it breeds a relationship built for specific purpose. *Laughs at my original question* Our generation, we are so much cooler than the other generations.
It is cold out. You guys have tents, you are working on crafty ways of being warm. But how were you having sex for that month before the tents were allowed?
Robert: Sex is easier with the tent, you feel a lot less like a fucking hippie. Before it was: ‘fuck it, cover with a tarp’. When you sleep in one place for a month with multiple partners of course you end up having sex wherever you can.
So are you guys managing to pull off group sex– orgies– in the little tent? (Ed. note this tent is not very big!)
Robert: We usually take turns, but we have. The best was when we went to Leandras moms house with all of our group. We all got in a gigantic, california king size bed with soft sheets, banisters and had sex together, oh my god it was epic. But, yeah, sometimes we go off with one person at a time.
Do you all say “I love you”?
Caitlin: Yeah! I noticed it started happening more after that big evening of group sex. There are a lot of tender moments, taking care of each other when someone is sick. There is an aspect of more than just being intimate with each other. We are each others grounding forces. The kind of love that I have for the people in this family is a combination of so many types of love, familial, romantic, sexual.
Robert: It means something. We have a bank set up, we share our finances, we share food, supplies…
Caitlin: No two relationships in the group are the same, I obviously relate differently to a partner who is 18 and a partner who is more experienced than me. I have individual relationships with each person in the group, you have to or the sense of family gets lost.
How has Occupy Wall Street been a part of coming to polyamory?
Caitlin: I’ve heard people say: ‘I’ve been waiting for something to happen and I didn’t know what it would be… but this is it! I belong’. There are so many relational aspects of protest, there is community, friendship…
Robert: If this is something you are passionate about you are going to find people here who have a lot in common with you. Out in everyday life, you don’t run into as many anarchists, or people who have spent 4 months in a tree in Oregon, you don’t run into people who have been arrested 30 times and every time they’ve gotten out of jail, people have been there cheering. So if you are one of those people you are more likely to find someone here, rather than out at a bar or on e-harmony.
When you engage in something you care about with someone, that builds a deeper connection. And sometimes that blossoms into other ways of connecting.
Do you think we are going to see more relationship styles like polyamory in the future?
Robert: Polyamory does seem to be more common in our generation, in certain areas.
Relationships are changing. Gay marriage speaks to how marriage is shifting in the larger population. Now, we are seeing that marriage is for two people who are in love and dedicated, but we couldn’t we just as easily see that marriage can be for more than two people who are in love with each other? That more than two people can have a relationship that is loving and dedicated?
Currently in the US–and most all over the world–people in group relationships cannot get domestic benefits— much less marriage rights. I find this sad. But for people who might be curious about poly, what would you recommend?
Caitlin: There isn’t just one way to have a relationship. Try things, reflect on those experiences on decide if it works.
Robert: It is a very organic process, adopting something that you read in a book or something that you hear from this interview isn’t necessarily better than figuring out what works for you and your partner or partners. And it is something that takes work. But it works for us.
Caitlin: Since we pretty much have everything we need, we can go days without interacting with other people!
Read Part Two, with surprising insights on Monogamy here!









Talking about the Future of Relationships at Occupy Wall St. Pt 2. Monogamy
The couple met in L.A. Sebastian, a music producer with long hair and a beard, was immediately taken with Catherine, a brunette musician with and blunt bangs. When Sebastian lost a record deal and needed a fresh start, he invited her to England to make music together. A romance ensued and led to marriage.
The couple describe the moment they decided to camp out at Occupy as pretty amorous. “How many people can turn to their partners and say, ‘You know, I think we should go live in a park for the good of humanity, for months on end’? The entire thing is a wholly romantic exercise,” says Sebastian.
Here, I talk with Sebastian and Catherine about the future of marriage and monogamy. They are monogamous and want children, but have some radical ideas about how marriage might change.
So why marriage instead of just living together?
Sebastian: For me, the two felt very different. The day after I was married I felt totally different. Marriage completely changed my heart.
That’s very sweet and… traditional. But how are you doing marriage differently than your parents generation?
Catherine: They care about having nice stuff. We don’t care about collecting nice stuff, for the sake of having it. I mean we like nice stuff, but its not a goal of ours to have the nicest rug or dining room set. We probably are not going to buy a house.
For some people it seems like that is what makes you a real couple or a real adult—having the fine the china, the real furniture or at least matching items from Ikea. I like the idea of shunning that, because really it is not so important!
Catherine: My real hope for the the future of marriage is that we will move towards a more communal model for living, and the nuclear family would become less of the normal model.
There is this quote by Kurt Vonnegut, it goes something like: every fight you have with your partner could be summed up by saying– you are not enough people! No one can get everything that they need from one person, and I think that nuclear families can be really isolating and really damaging to the people in them.
It is so interesting to hear you say ’you can’t get everything you need from one person’, seeing as you guys are monogamous.
Sebastian: I think village life, where everyone has support for each other is a really important thing that has been killed by our society. One or two people working like slaves because you have to have one car per family, one TV per family, one mealtime per family almost feels like a conspiracy of our culture. It is so isolating.
And even if you do believe in nuclear families it is not totally sustainable anymore, not everyone can survive that way.
Marriage historians like Stephanie Coontz have noted that modern couples are reaching out less to friends and family, and instead expecting their partner to be their best friend, to be their everything. But that this is detrimental to relationships.
Sebastian: I don’t think a man should get into his 60′s and not have a single friend outside the relationship. That is so sad, and yet I’ve seen that happen in my own family.
So then you guys live with other people– other couples as well. It is almost as though you are getting the benefits of being in a poly family while still being monogamous.
Catherine: I am interested, especially after this experience, in an even more communal way of living. Because though we share our house, we don’t share our food supplies or go grocery shopping together. I am interested in having more ground to grow things on–doing more things in the home that we go to outside people for. Having more people, more space makes that easier.
So tell me about being monogamous. I’ve talked to a lot of couples here and monogamy doesn’t necessarily seem to be as much of a norm at Occupy.
Sebastian: Monogamy is a desire in your heart. It is not a law or a rule. We have discussions around what would we do if infidelity occurred? So, if Catherine came to me one day and said she did not want to be monogamous, that would be totally acceptable because whatever decision she makes for herself, if it is a considered decision, it is a good one.
However, we are in a monogamous relationship because that is what we desire. I definitely don’t think that having rules in a relationship is a good idea. A relationship is a living thing that should evolve with feelings.
So do you fully believe in the institution of marriage?
Sebastian: Marriage is a religious institution, it is a civil institution but it is also a religious one. And if you look at who the church is working against now, it is homosexuals. But if Jesus were to come back, which some people believe he will, the people he would be most supportive of would be the homosexual people. He was trying to end the persecution of people who were most persecuted by the church!
For me marriage has been essential to personal, spiritual growth. If a person does not feel that way that is totally fine, everyone is on their own spiritual path. But if there is a homosexual person who wants to get married but can’t– that is appalling . If marriage is going to improve, and if I am going to fully support it, it has to be available for all.
Have you guys had many romantic moments, while camping here?
Sebastian: The moment we looked at each other and decided we were going to do this was romantic. I couldn’t do it without Catherine and I wouldn’t want to. You know, we haven’t had many dinners over wine and candlelight, but this is harder and stronger romance.
We are here, because we think we should fight against a society that makes it impossible for you to live financially unless both partners are working 6 days a week or whatever. We don’t want to disappear into our communes so the top can keep making more money, this is the time to fight back.
For a faster read, check out Catherine and Sebastian in my profile on Occupy dating at Time Out New York!